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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:37 pm 
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The fan film Star Trek: Renegades is doing that. For the second and subsequent episodes they have to remove all references to Star Trek, but there weren't that many references to Star Trek to begin with. CBS should have taken a page out of their book, since Renegades has little to do with Starfleet and thus can express Roddenberry's humanist ideals without the military trappings.

I'm not familiar with it. Can you tell me what it's about?

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TPTB are choosing to stick with the tried and true formula with this new series.

They are following that formula even to the extraordinary extent of sticking with the tried and true characters.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:40 am 
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Renegades: The time frame is the early 25th Century. Earth is in deadly peril as it has been effectively walled off from the rest of the universe by an alien species. Starfleet covertly assembles a crew of ex-criminals and outlaws to find a way to save Earth. Further episodes are supposed to focus on their adventures as they perform missions that Starfleet cannot.

The first episode is on YouTube.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:54 pm 
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If they can't get the reboots right, they won't get an episodic series right. Changing the fluff around won't matter, because there still will be no substance. I don't have to reserve judgment, because after being a die-hard pretty much since I could talk, I know what Star Trek should be, and NuTrek isn't it. If the powers that be by some miracle manage to get the series right, then the question fans will need to ask is, "why in the heck couldn't you do this with the reboots?"


I can't get behind that mindset at all. I think pretty much the only thing we know about the new series is the name and the look of the ship - there's no reason to believe that it's going to end up being anything like the reboot movies at this stage. Granted, I'm a bit put off by the appearance of the ship, but I'm still going to see what they actually do with the series before coming to any kind of judgement (and also keep in mind that the first season or two of a Star Trek series is always more rough than the later ones).

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:34 am 
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Fortunately, I wasn't asking for people to flock to my banner. ;)

The problem with the first season or two of a Star Trek series being "rough" is that this is supposedly an anthology series, with story arcs lasting a season apiece. That means every season is going to be rough, as each season is expected to have an entirely new ship, crew, and era.

The anthology format I feel is going to be a big reason why this show fails, and I expect it to fail hard. One of the things about the various Star Trek shows is that the viewers became emotionally involved with the characters and cared about them, almost to the point that the characters gained a life of their own. With an anthology show, that emotional investment simply isn't possible, which is why this show is going to be all fluff and no substance. There simply isn't enough time in a season to establish that emotional attachment, so instead the shows are going to focus on things other than the characters.

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Star Trek was always very modernist in its outlook - i.e. it believed that rationalism, reason, and science - when applied humanely - can make a better society, better lives, and better human morality. Remove that and you'll simply have a mediocre space-opera setting with no soul or underpinning concept.

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I've been watching all the movies in chronological order over the past few weeks, and it seems to me that the ones that are most true to what Star Trek is supposed to be are The Motion Picture (exploration), Wrath of Khan (moral dilemna), The Undiscovered Country (the fight for peace), and Insurrection (another moral dilemna).

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I saw Beyond and enjoyed it. Close enough to original Trek for my level of fandom. (Admittedly, I'm no Trekker, just a Trekkie.)

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I saw Beyond this past weekend and enjoyed it immensely. I think it's the best of the three JJverse films. There's more introspection in this one than the others.

Simon Pegg co-wrote the script, and I thought he did a great job tying in the characters of the original series with the current one. There's a fair amount of screen time between Bones and Spock, and the repartee between Urban and Quinto felt like Kelley and Nimoy. But Quinto's Spock is quite different than Nimoy's Spock. With the destruction of Vulcan in the first JJ-film, Quinto's Spock doesn't feel the pressure of millennia of culture bearing down on him, forcing him to suppress his feelings nearly as much as Nimoy's Spock did lest shame be brought upon his family. Who's left to care? I would suspect that purists will hate him for it, but I think that's a mistake as it fails to recognize how vastly different this setting is compared to the original and ignores sci-fi's basic premise: What if...?

I was pleasantly surprised by the resolution of the plot. I thought that we were dealing with yet another alien hellbent on destroying the Federation, but it turned out to be something far different. It touched on a theme that was in a couple TNG episodes (
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"The Wounded" and "Relics"
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DED I think you are dead on!

I just saw this movie last night (damn real life!).

I also thought it was the best of the JJverse and was closer to the original ST than any of the others, but it still had a lot of action which is now part of the new franchise.

It KILLED me to watch Chekov though... knowing that the actor died in such a ... stupid... way and won't be back is really sad. In an interview JJ Abrams has said he will not replace the actor. Chekov will not be back (not sure if they will kill him off or move him out of the story). I know a good replacement for his character and her name starts with an L... :)

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DED I think you are dead on!


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