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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:50 am 
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Thanks for posting here, Mithras. There is a section for 'Other' which covers non-SF, but as this is CT-related I think it's probably better in here. This is definitely the best version of 'primitive', if not fantasy, Traveller that I've seen. I reckon you could still sell this as a 3rd-party MGT book, you know, even with a free CT version out there. Especially as you could include more rules from the SRD. But, hey, it's your baby, and it's a cool LBB baby. 8-)

Are you planning on doing any 'supplements'? Have you got any games running with this yet?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:43 pm 
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I enjoy this product, Mithras.

Maybe someone should talk to Gashnaga and see if he wouldn't mind bringing the fantasy stuff he's collected over here.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:30 pm 
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You might want to ask Hans about the price of slaves in the Roman Empire.

Check out:

http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=65329

for his comments on page 2.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:29 pm 
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Me no have access to SJGs... Can you summarize?

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Cyborg IM1 wrote:
Me no have access to SJGs... Can you summarize?

He basically proposes a price that is equivalent to two years' salaries
for a person with the same skill as the slave.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:03 pm 
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That seems fair.

Now we are back to that old argument, how much do normal people make in Traveller? We know what spaceship crews make, but no one else...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:47 pm 
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Cyborg IM1 wrote:
Now we are back to that old argument, how much do normal people make in Traveller? We know what spaceship crews make, but no one else...

I think we can avoid that problem in this case, because there are good sources
for the salaries in ancient Rome. In my view the problem here would be to decide
which period of the Roman Empire to use, because there were of course huge
differences over its long history.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:11 pm 
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rust wrote:
Cyborg IM1 wrote:
Now we are back to that old argument, how much do normal people make in Traveller? We know what spaceship crews make, but no one else...

I think we can avoid that problem in this case, because there are good sources
for the salaries in ancient Rome. In my view the problem here would be to decide
which period of the Roman Empire to use, because there were of course huge
differences over its long history.


Err.

Uh.

Well, maybe not.

There are sources for some jobs at some points in Roman times, and for some places ... but there is nowhere near enough to give us a comprehensive picture (no, not even Diocletian's "Edict on Maxiimum Prices" ... there's real evidence to suggest it was obsolete the moment it was chiselled up).

And, unless you have an idea of what sort of prices things went for, the wages are meaningless anyway ... and we don't have a lot of evidence for comprehensive price lists such as, oh, say, a Roman equivalent of a Sears-Roebuck catalog.

Much academic powder has been burnt over the years about Roman wages, prices, and economics and the general consensus of the more reasonable academics seems to be along the lines of "nowhere near enough evidence to do anything more than the very broadest of broad generalisations" ... the powder being spilt, as often as not, over what counts as "very broad" :lol:

You could, dare I say it, check out "Orbis Mundi" or "Farm, Forge and Steam" (both, alas, by yours truly and available on RPGNow) which, in the first instance, try to make sense of wages and prices and society in the 15th century (Europe), and, in the latter case, tries to make some sense of how it all works together in ways that most generalist historians (and RPG writers :o ) often don't make much sense of :mrgreen:

And, of course, though most people aren't aware of it (even historians, really), a lot of the assumptions about how Roman (or pre-modern in general) life was organised is a tissue of conjecture and guesswork piled on scattered, unrelated, often misunderstood, misrepresented and misinterpreted facts of dubious relevance.

Like, for example, the general assumption in almost all RPGs that chunks of wood (bows and arrows) cost far more than chunks of metal (swords etc.), the exact reverse of economic and historical experience/reality :shock:

In general, you could throw something together that would probably not be too obviously broken and which would work within your (equally broken) assumptions, but it wouldn't be easy or quick.

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Yep, I should have written comparatively good sources, compared to
the total lack of any sources for a future Traveller society. ;)


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